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to be a multiple shooting at a movie theater in lafayette, louisiana. the emotional resonance is not that it is just another apparent shooting in a movie theater but the emotional resonance is not just that it is an apparent multiple shooting but on the day when a jury in colorado is considering whether or not james holmes, the massacre shooter is going to get -- >> hello, i have continuing coverage of tonight's breaking news. three people are dead and nine injuried in a theater in lafayette, louisiana. one of those dead is the gunman who turned the gun on himself. authorities say the injured are being treated at local hospitals with conditions from critical to nonlife-threatening. the alleged shooter was a 58-year-old white man. that's all we know at the time. no victims have been identified. governor bobby jindal said this was an awful night for
lafayette, louisiana and the state will get through this. i want to bring in the chief administrative officer on the phone for us. thank you so much for being with us. we have a lot to go through. tell us what you know about the scene on the ground at this hour. >> shortly before this phone conversation, state police bomb dogs were able to get a hit on the suspect vehicle. state police moved everybody back and increased the size of the perimeter. the grand is a large theater with 16 screens and a very large parking lot. they moved law enforcement back hundreds of feet after discovering what was a suspicious device. the colonel of louisiana state police told our community that should they hear what sounded to be like a muffled gunshot or a shotgun not to be alarmed. it was simply state police doing what they needed to do to
detonate that suspicious package. we have not received any additional information on what they learned from what was inside the suspect vehicle, but to quote the colonel, we sent in a robot. we were not about to centsend in troopers. sadly the bodies of our fallen ones in our community are still in the theater along with as you said the gunman himself. we did receive word that we lost a victim at one of the local hospitals. that brought the fatality numbers to three. we are praying for those having surgery and treatment. we are pleased for those who have been treat and released, but it is a shocking evening. while we are saddened it will not shatter our resolve. we will get through this. this is going to be a long and arduous investigation. it may be several hours once the
crime scene is clear. inside screen plane where the train wreck was. before we get the beginnings of clues as to what happened and why. >> take us to that theater and inside as they are investigating and this is an active scene right now that will take a while for them to get through this. we heard earlier in a news conference from law enforcement that there is a backpack inside as well. any indication where that might be a suspicious package? >> suspicious certainly, but no confirmation on what it might be. that is increasing dramatically the amount of time it took for crime scene technicians and the coroner and people who need to be involved with prime scene processing. we have to make sure that the room is safe for law enforcement to be there to do their work and that is taking an incredible amount of time. if you picture the grand theater as big square or a rectangle and
facing the front of the theatre, the screen in which this happened is the further most to the right of the theater to your right. it is a corner screen that has an exterior door. it is that exterior door that opens almost literally into a neighborhood in which the activity to process the crime scene is taking place. >> walk us through how this happened. what you understand. we heard from reports that the gunman simply stood up and started shooting. >> all we know from witnesses we have not heard from any yet that indicated that anything was said or that the gunman said anything. we believe he was seated at the time that the movie started. he started firing and there was one report from one witness that he exited the theater through the door that i just referenced and went back in with a loaded weapon and killed himself at
that point and that comes from one of the eyewitnesss inside. >> so nothing was said? >> as best as we can tell. there were more than 100 people i believe that law enforcement spoke to. i would hate to provide information that would be incorrect, but they are processing that information now. up to this point we have not heard that the gunman said or made comments to anyone. >> what do you know about the gunman. we hear he is a 58-year-old white male. >> and think about that. if you are law enforcement and you have not had an opportunity to process the crime scene, it has been very difficult and slow in going to find out where this suspect lives, whether he is a member of our community, who his relatives and friends are and what were the circumstances leading up to this awful and horrible tragedy. any information that would be released publicly including the suspect's name or where his home
could be could be detrimental to the investigation and harmful if other people are involved. we have no indication that that's the case now. law enforcement is correctly, i think, playing this very, very close and methodically and it will be sometime before this crime scene is processed. >> we did hear earlier in the news conference from one of the law enforcement officials it was hard to distinguish what was being said because there was a lot of commotion because it's near a freeway as well where the movie theater is situated. this gunman does have a criminal background. do you know any more about that? >> our police chief made the comment at the last briefing that he does have a criminal record, but to use the chief's terms, those charges were very old. he did not elaborate on what the charges were whether they were serious in nature or perhaps involve weapons, only to say
that he did have a criminal history and they were older charges and they did not find any contemporary charges involving the suspect. >> we will learn so much more in the coming days and hours as this is an active scene. right now it will be playing out what you expect throughout the morning as well? >> yes, ma'am. we have been told that likely crime scene will not be able to get in and begin processing and have the coroner do his work for three or four hours. it's horrifying to think of that for the families who have a loved one still inside of that theater. our love and comfort and prayers are with them and we hope that they know this is in the interest of justice and trying to determine what happened. it's excruciatingly painful to watch and the length of time it is taking is quite painful for the community. >> absolutely. before i let you go we understand from governor jindal
there were two teachers among the nine injured. one of them pulled a fire alarm to alert others of the shooting. do you credit that for saving lives? >> there is no doubt. governor jindal had that conversation with those teachers and he would be the best person to answer that but in sharing the stories with us there is little doubt that both of those were acts of heroism. one teacher shielding another teacher during the chaos and then another hero having the wherewithal to pull the fire alarm. we are told the response from our first responders who went into the tragedy was literally within minutes, perhaps as short as two minutes. that is i'm certain a direct result of the quick action of the heroes in the building. there is no doubt that the two teachers are heros and the
people who are alive tonight because of their bravery. >> a good point because when we first heard of the story we heard that officers were on the scene as they were hearing gunshots ripping out. that is something that doesn't happen very often. by the time officers get to the scene sometimes it's already over. this was still active as they were walking and running into the theater to try to save lives. >> think about also what was happening. this is a normal thursday night during the summer. kids are off of school. it's a very popular new release movie. it's a routine evening in the core of our community. if you look at the community on a map and hit the theater with a bull's-eye, it is right in the core of our town. there is a coffee shop next door that is very, very popular. there is a very, very popular local bar called the corner bar and a pizza restaurant that fronts the main highway that runs in front of the theater. it was a normal thursday night.
what those officers had to have seen when they arrived and the numbers of people and the sheer terror coming out of the theater, they had to protect the people and make sure the situation was secure and also try to protect the evidence in the process. it has been an extraordinary evening, but that's what we do. that's the type of community we are and who we are. we will get through this. the big question is why and who on earth will know what that answer will be. >> yes. you make a good point from all that wrong there was a lot that went right tonight. the chief administrative officer dee stanley joining us by phone. now kiefer sanders was in another theater at the grand 16 when tonight's shooting happened. he is on the phone with us right now. i understand you actually heard that fire alarm go off. >> yes, ma'am. we were across the way from the
showing and probably about 7:30 when the previews were over our movie when the alarm went off. the screen went black and the guys announced it saying to evacuate and find the closest exit and once we got out of the theater, there was probably 100 or more people exiting through the back emergency exit. we were not sure what was going on. thought maybe there was a fire or something. once we got to the front of the theater, we seen there was a lady who had been wounded in the leg laying on the side. it was a gun wound. we knew what was going on and the cops were already arriving. going through the front door and there was one man that came out of the actual theater where the shooting occurred and when i was speaking with him he said the movie was just beginning and it was quiet in there and a man
just stood up and starredted opening fire. he was not in a rush to get out. just in a normal manner. >> that is frightening to hear let alone be in the same complex. were you worried that you were in danger? >> yes, ma'am. the alarm originally went off and because of what happened in the past there was an initial thought, but once i got out of the theater, the police did a great job of getting there and making sure the public safety was fine. >> have you spoken with any police officers or have they interviewed you or questioned you as to what you experienced? >> no ma'am. i never spoke with any police officers. i got out as quick as i could. i had tweeted something a while ago about the shooting and that's when my phone began blowing up. i talked to a few reporters
since then. >> i imagine. was there a sense of chaos and panic as people were leaving the theater? >> not really. no one knew what was going on. except for the people when the shooting happened. i thought it was a fire or just something simple maybe a drill or something going on. once we got to the front, we realized what was happening. people with children running, but it wasn't a chaotic scene. >> it's still an active scene as well. have you been able to see that? >> yes, ma'am. we actually went to the front to see what was going on. i see on tv it is still an active scene. >> it's going to take place for quite sometime. we are glad you got out alive. we appreciate you sharing your experience with us. there three dead this this theater shooting and nine injured in lafayette, louisiana.
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investigations not only the circumstances, but the incident that led to her arrest from a failure to signal a lane change. on her first day in jail she left a voice mail message obtained by the station ktrk houston that sums up the circumstances. >> hey, this is me and i was able to seat judge. i don't really know. they got me set at a $5,000 bond. i'm just at a loss for words honestly about this process. how switching lanes turned into all of this. i don't know. i'm still here so call me back when you can. >> presenting findings of the autopsy, the waller county assistant district attorney discussed marks on her back that could have been consistent to the knee to the back. >> those are consistent with somebody applying force against her back or with her applying force against some other object.
which one it is we can't say. >> he addressed the issue of a possible prior suicide attempt. >> there were approximately 30 cut marks on her left wrist which were also in a state of healing. these roughly 30 cut marks were both in a state of scarring and scabbing indicating they may have been placed on her body roughly two to four weeks prior to her incarceration. >> while bland indicated in a mental health form she previously considered suicide, she stated pills as the means of the attempt. there was no mention of cutting herself. she indicated on another portion of that form she was not suicidal that day, the first day of her incarceration. the ada said marijuana was found in her system but those results are preliminary. the waller county jail felt
infection with the hanging a few years ago. a 2012 inspection said they did not provide face-to-face observation every hour as required by law prior po inmate james harper howl the 4th's suicide prior that year. joining us is joy reid. there is so much about this case i find troubling and confusing. what did we learn today from that press conference by the assistant district attorney? >> i would say that the one thing that we learned is how definitively this part of the three-part investigation. you have the separate investigation by the texas department of public safety into the traffic stop. we learned today that at least according to the autopsy finding, they are saying with a fair degree of certainty they found nothing inconsistent with the suicide. they spent a lot of time talking
about the ligature marks on her body saying nothing they found whether it was looking at her soft palette and the injuries to her neck and the rest of her body consistent with force, trauma or murder. they were instead consistent in their mind or according to the science with a suicide. they talked about the smoothness of the ligature mark. a couple of things are outstanding. they still have to test what they said was the trash bag that they said was used in the hanging. that has to have dna and other testing done. they need additional blood and other tests to hair etc. they didn't test for instance to find out if she epilepsy or whether or not there were any drugs for epilepsy in her system. some of this is not finished but they are going ahead with the idea of suicide. they have spent a lot of time on the issue of marijuana. what we haven't gotten answers to between them and the
sheriff's office behind me is how it is possible. the ada raised the possibility that she ingested marijuana in jail. i have spoke wen several professionals including in my own family. nobody could say they thought it was credible including the guy who is heading a commission thought it was credible that she could have had drugs in the jail cell. >> i have been confused by this all day. i fail to see why the marijuana in her system is in any respect knowing that as we do that stays in the system unless it was in injusted in jail. every jail i have interviewed in the thing they do is make sure to search and confiscate everything. >> absolutely. i spoke with the same person who is going to head that commission. he is a local trial attorney and deals with the jail a lot. you come into the intake and you are strip-searched.
every person is strip-searched. you saw sandra bland in the orange jump suit. she was bodily searched. no way she could have snuck drugs in. you can sneak anything into jail but their investigation found none of the inmates smelled or heard anything. the same attorney made the point as a lot of people who are familiar with marijuana know it could be in your system two hours, two days or two weeks. there is no way to know. they said they have not done a quantitative analysis. they have done a qualitative analysis that said it breaks down and metabolizes to a second compounds. they found the compound but not the quantity. to your point, what the relevancy of that? i never heard anyone say marijuana is either something that makes you hallucinagenic or violent.
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the evidence didn't support the officers statement and then when trying to close a case with unjustified finding, they were never pushed through. they would be kicked back or sent back for further evidence. >> when your investigators would investigate and they were being led to an unjustified conclusion you felt you were -- >> well the evidence would contradict the officers statements. the investigator would find witnesses that countered those statements or the physical evidence would not align with those statements. when that was presented to the
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us, and they do. we must be prepared militant and equipped to handle anything coming our way. >> this is the executive director of the muslim. he reached out and asked him to shop. he said he is a friend and i think he would consider the same for me. >> i had no idea what i was getting myself into. when i was contacted by the counsel for islamic relations, i asked them to visit me. thankfully hundreds of e-mails
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hatred groups. catholics were seen as loyal to the pope. this is the same hate with a new target. what scared me the most about andy's rhetoric was that it sounded no different than the nazi propaganda where they said that jews were a threat and needed to be gotten rid of and that jewish could not be believed they were all liars. america is the best place in the world to be a muslim but some people are trying to change that. >> you talk to the guy, you
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how can you say there is no agreement when the president of iran thinks they have signed an agreement with the united states and the rest of the world and think it is a good agreement. >> i think there are folks who are good faith critics who really do on to certain things in the agreement. i think a lot of the critics are bad faith critics who didn't like the negotiation from the moment it started and are pretending to have issues with the document as opposed to the process. >> of course. how do we know that? a lot came out with disagreement to this complex document
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it will draw to the polls. there are a handful, but i don't think we will have a vote on the floor next summer. >> how much are presidential politics playing into how this is going? it is already at the center a form of unanimity and distinction. >> think about this proposition. rubio promised today that they would walk away from this deal when they became president not with standing the last year and a half. saying that iran wouldn't live up to the agreement why wouldn't you test that for the next year and a half. and would you really thumb your
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iran is not a place we should be doing business with. i will terminate the deal on the very first day as president. i will reinstate the sanctions and tell our partners to do the same. >> saying he would be prepared to take action on the first day of office even if that meant military attack. dave, here is why i wanted to have you on. you have chronicled a libertarian part of the
republican party. it seemed that they were away from militaristic posture. that seems gone. am i misreading it? >> i don't think you are misreading it. there may have been more had paul rand stuck to his guns. as soon as this came out, he spoke out. there is no one speaking to this even though i believe there is a portion of the gop base who believes what you are saying. >> if you have 15 or 16 people in the race i think there is some portion of the primary base who would go along and say i don't want to have a war with iran and they are not being served despite this many people in the race. >> when i talked to libertarians, they supported him
because he said that. in these early primaries, 20% is more substantial than what everyone else is fighting for. all of the money and interest on the republican side will be spent on this deal. no one in politics. >> part of it has to do with the donor class, where a lot of folks who will be stock hitters financially, don't like this deal don't think we should be dealing with the iranians at all. >> they do take a different position. but they don't throw political action. the candidates they have funded generally have been more in the
hawkishmainstream that's a huge loss. historically a giant and large chunk. nobody of that is represented in the new republican party, the one shaped by this big money we are talking about. >> where do you see the rhetoric going on this? right now it seems like a un unifying theme for all of the candidates. >> in a couple of weeks they are going to debate. the first republic debate who i talked to this week sees that as the start, of the debate the party should be having. coming back to paul if he speaks and takes an opposite position we cover it.
without that we don't cover it. whether paul sticks to so the debate we'll see. >> we will see. >> we will see. i'm not holding out hope. thank you. that is all in for this evening. right now time for rachel. stopped at the border. let's play "hard ball" >> good evening. our guest tonight is texas senator ted cruz, candidate for president. we all know that donald trump dominated the tv screen today traveling to the mexican border. his mission was to speak with the u.s. border guards but he learn they were not to make the rendezvous. here's the back and forth. in an interview yesterday, trump said the border patrol invited him because they want to honor me.